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append delete Michiel

Hi,

I'm new to webdevelopment , but I'm very eager to learn...
Currently I'm working on a website for all students in my city , but it's not going well cause I don't know where to begin...

I would like to code in html 5 and cs3 using dreamweaver cs6 and would also like to know how to use the source code to set up my own nononsense forum.

Please HELP !

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append delete #26. Michiel

I'm from Belgium and the problem is that here in Belgium they let you pay for a whole year at once and that's something I'd rather not do :)

append delete #27. Ben

You do not have to pay anything other than the cost of the electricity in order to set up server software on your own computer. Start with that, learn the fundamentals, then look to progress. I hate to say it, but I think you may be trying to take on too much too quickly.

append delete #28. Martijn

[@Michiel:] here in Belgium they let you pay for a whole year at once and that's something I'd rather not do :)

To be honest, every single country I have ever had dealings with (Netherlands, US, Sweden, all over the place) wants you to pay a year in advance. And personally I wouldn’t trust hosting companies that bill you every $3 bucks separately, monthly.

That is not to say they can’t offer refunds. My current host — Binero — has a money back guarantee that promises me they will refund the months I have left on my account in case of an early termination. You might want to look for similar deals.

People tend to switch hosting once they have learned more. Don’t be afraid to start out with something (very) cheap that seems to offer the right set-up for you. One.com is a hosting provider that comes to mind. Many starting website owners I have come to know here in Sweden use it. They are cheap, fast, and simple. (I haven’t checked it they have what *you* need, but generally, they have.)

But as @Ben says, it is better to set-up a local server on your own computer for testing before doing anything. This way you can learn about NNF and how you want to customise it before paying people for time you need to test things out.

If you do end up looking for hosting I’ll leave you the following tips:

1. Don’t do too much shopping around. If you find a cheaper hosting provider but their website looks more dodgy: don’t take them.
2. Look for a company close to home. This makes it so much easier if you need support as you will be familiar with country customs, holidays, language, etc. Doing business with Japan or Kuwait might not be the smartest move.
3. Test their support. Do they have a telephone number? Maybe call them for information about your first ever hosting deal; Email them some questions about their service and see how fast they answer you back; See if they do support in your own language: this might not seem important but if you ever need something specific in the future it will really make things easier.
4. Make sure they support what you need. Most systems like NoNonsenseForum, CMS, and blogging tools, are developed on Unix machines. Unix (Linux) hosting is often the better choice over IIS (Windows) hosting. For nice URLs (URL Rewrites) you need `.htaccess` and `mod_rewrite` to function and to be accessible. PHP is often a given, *but beware!*

*PHP is tricky* and a lot of hosting companies provide only half the information you need without you asking!

The current version (as of writing) of PHP is `5.4.3`. You want at least `5.4`. The previous version is still around as `5.3.13` but in accordance with the PHP timeline this one is only getting known bugs and security issues fixed and nothing more. From Wikipedia:

Once per year, a minor release should occur which can include new features. Every minor release should at least have 2 years of security and bug fixes, followed by at least 1 year of only security fixes, for a total of a 3 year release process for every minor release. No new features (unless small and self contained) will be introduced into a minor release during the 3 year release process.

You will find a lot of hosting companies stating they are running PHP 5. If they tell you this, ask them *what version*. PHP 5.0.0 was released late 2004. That is almost 3 3-year release cycles ago. If they tell you they run 5.3 you can ask them when they are planning to update or just move on and find a new hosting provider.

I hope you’ll take this to heart when you start looking :)

Martijn added on

As Kroc correctly points out [1] you will be looking for `5.3`, not `5.4`. 5.4 is almost never supported by simple shared hosting providers. I was confused because I am running this version myself and it is the current stable release along with 5.3.

`5.2` is not unheard of, but hosting that provides you with `5.3` is in my opinion much better. As I commented to Kroc:

PHP ended its support for the 5.2 series with 5.2.16, 02010-12-16: http://www.php.net/archive/2010.php#id2010-12-16-1

[1]: http://forum.camendesign.com/help+2#1919oirnmxl8

append delete #29. Kroc

@Martijn

" You want at least `5.4`."

That's silly. I don’t know a single host that provides PHP5.4. Most support some flavour of 5.2, sometimes with a cpanel switch to change to 5.3.

PHP upgrades on shared hosts are notoriously slow. I’m always hearing from users stuck on 5.2, which is why NNF targets 5.2.3.

append delete #30. Martijn

@Kroc: That’s silly. I don’t know a single host that provides PHP5.4.

You are completely right, of course. Will add an addendum to the previous post. I was confused because I am running 5.4 locally.

That does not change the fact that, if you are going to look around for a hosting provider, you should not give 5.2 much thought. PHP ended its support for the 5.2 series with 5.2.16, 02010-12-16: http://www.php.net/archive/2010.php#id2010-12-16-1

append delete #31. Michiel

I'm in Belgium :) And yeah I should invest in a server, but problem is that most services in Belgium and Holland let you pay for a whole year at once and I don't like that very much...

FYI could I adapt "Nononsense forum" to "Studentenforum Antwerpen" in the header ? or is that not possible ?

append delete #32. Kroc

@Michiel Yes, change the `FORUM_NAME` option in your 'config.php'; refer to INSTALL.txt for more details on customising the forum.

append delete #33. Michiel

Xampp is up and going now ! :)

append delete #34. Michiel

Can I translate the forum into dutch :) ?

append delete #35. Kroc

@Michiel: If you please, read the instructions in "lang.example.php" (/themes/greyscale) for guidence. If you need any help with that, get back to us.

append delete #36. Michiel

@ Martijn,

thnx for the step-by-step explanation , I'll certainly look into it when I decide to get the site online.

And @ Ben , you may be right about taking on too much at once...

@Kroc,
good good, I'll try to translate it into Dutch then.

Now back to the books.

append delete #37. Michiel

Kroc,

I've set up the forum :)
One problem... I would like to incorporate an iframe or so to share files could I do that ?

Please help and doesn't scale well , what do you mean with that ?

Kind regards,
Michiel

append delete #38. Kroc

@Michiel: Hello and welcome back!

" I would like to incorporate an iframe or so to share files could I do that ?"

The easiest way is to create an "about.html" file, with the code you want; it will be added to the top of the forum index page. If you require something more specific, you can make a new theme to house your changes; full instructions are here: https://github.com/Kroc/NoNonsenseForum/wiki/How-to-Make-A-NoNonsense-Forum-Theme

doesn't scale well , what do you mean with that ?

It simply means that NoNonsense Forum probably won't handle a thousand people using it at once :) It's a simple forum designed for no more than a couple of hundred people at a time. Also note that it lacks many features for protecting against abuse (such as banning); so you are expected to handle that yourself. You can choose for example to have an open sub-forum where people can request permission to post, and then lock the other forums so that only registered members can post.

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