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iLinuX OS - The Spammers That Won't Let Up.

append delete Ben

I check on these forums very rarely nowadays but I am fed up of these posts. Whoever is making them keeps on deleting their thread and reposting. Even when someone else has thoughtfully posted after them. For posterity, I have copied their post underneath so this thread can be the discussion point for iLinux OS. I haven't tried their OS; I am not planning to; stop curating the message board for your own ends.

The post below is currently on the board by author `Toc Toc`:

I recently tried iLinux OS https://ilinuxos.com and i was really impressed. So I decided to write a few lines about this distro.

Searching for a bit for an easy Linux distro with Persistence (save changes) that can run from a USB stick, I found iLinux, a Debian (Stable) based distro.

Despite my initial reservations about the big download size I decided to give it a go.

The first thing you notice is speed. For a Linux distro with such delicate and pleasant interface, it is fast even in a 2012 Intel Celeron CPU...

Where Gnome and Ubuntu are crawling iLinux runs smooth...

I found it very convenient for me that it has so many Apps pre-installed.

Themes and icons have pastel colors and in result they are very relaxing to the eyes, even after long use, especially if combined with Screen Light https://ilinuxos.com/screen-light.html

iLinux interface is a mix of Mate, Tint, Openbox Menu and Plank Dock with many interventions and custom Apps, which I found very functional.

iLinux may look as a toy at first, but it goes very deep in terms of design and it is obvious that a lot of work has been done to cover the needs of every user, successfully in my opinion.

A noticeable fact is that the interface structure increases the task execution speed by a huge factor, which saves me precious time.

I loved iLinux Start https://ilinuxos.com/ilinux-start.html and Easy Access https://ilinuxos.com/easy-access.html , but I adored Amazing Right Click Menu https://ilinuxos.com/amazing-right-click-menu-and-super-actions.html and Semantic Folders https://ilinuxos.com/semantic-folders.html

Also, iLinux Menu https://ilinuxos.com/ilinux-menu-and-smart-links.html is very speedy and well organized even when the hierarchical menu has to access thousands of files.

I was especially impressed by the fact that many Custom Settings and Custom Apps are embedded in Mate Control Center https://ilinuxos.com/control-center.html , which now is more functional than the Default.

I found iLinux Software Store https://ilinuxos.com/ilinux-software-store.html to be very functional, since it embeds Button Links for Gnome Software Store, Snap Store, Steam, Packages, Synaptic Package Manager and App Images.

Of crucial importance was the fact that iLinux recognized iPhone, iPad και Android Phones and Tablets, and thus letting me transfer Photos, Video and Data.

Installation instructions are very simple and straight through, even for Beginners and Novice users.

As a user that experiments with Linux and uses Windows and Macs daily, after using iLinux for 2 weeks I was impressed by it's mature design, it's attention to detail and it's mainstream orientation.

It's clear that iLinux is not an experimental Linux Distro. It is a product that simply works out of the box...

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append delete #1. Kroc

Hi Ben, these posts are automated spam, so I'm sorry about deleting that previous thread that did have some honest replies. There's something very fishy about this ilinuxos thing and I don't want their repeated spam showing up, so just a heads up that this thread will be deleted in a few days unless you have any other concerns. TIA, Kroc

append delete #2. Robot Killer

These posts are not automated SPAM.

The ADMINS OF THIS FORUM keep deleting them with the persistence of an Automated Robot, even though people respond!

Is there a particular reason why the ADMINS OF THIS FORUM hate that particular Linux Distro so much?!

:: @Robot Killer added on 08 Nov ’20 · 22:32

People should have the right to express their opinion without being Bullied by the ADMINS OF THIS FORUM!

Instead of deleting this post at least 6 times, participate in the discussion!

What is wrong with you people?!

append delete #3. Robot Killer

Making sure you won't delete it again...

https://archive.is/sSX0B

append delete #4. Ben

Hi Kroc. Thanks for explaining. Sorry I had misinterpreted what was going on.

There's something very fishy about this ilinuxos thing and I don't want their repeated spam showing up

Completely understand. It just confused me. I know thread creators can delete threads so I had assumed the creator was doing it to keep the post date recent (and remove the negative comments).

It's nice to see your handle. Hope everything is going ok.

append delete #5. Robot Killer

The only fishy thing around here is the CYBER BULLYING OF THE ADMINS OF THIS FORUM...

You have deleted 14 Positive & 1 Negative Comments over the past Month alone!

I wonder what is your agenda?!

What you have to gain from this behavior?!

append delete #6. Robot Killer
append delete #7. Martijn

Yesterday I asked @Kroc how he wanted to handle these posts, in public on Discord, as I have not been removing them up to now. With this policy in place, I will be removing them. But I can address a couple things first, maybe. This might also give a little glance behind the scenes of how I think of content from a moderation perspective.

Firstly: this instance of the forum is first and foremost to discuss Kroc’s projects. I see no reason why there is any sort of obligation to host discussions on Linux distros at all. There has never been a super strict content policy – which is why I did not remove anything in the first place – but that does not mean Kroc has given up the right to curate content. I’ll be following his lead in removing things he feels do not belong here, whether positive or negative.

I would invite people to drop into Kroc’s Discord, where both of us can be pinged, if you feel a need to discuss moderating.

Secondly: the way the post was formatted would have gotten it insta-deleted from several forums I have moderated for. It is filled with links and it reads a little like a sales pitch rather than a user’s opinion.

Even after deletion, the exact same post gets posted again. It can’t have been copied from us (as it was already deleted) giving some credence to the post having been stored elsewhere for copy-pasting. The exact same post has also popped up on other forums, like the Linux Foundation’s discussion board, matching particular capitalisation patterns to the tee. Really lending credence to it being a copy-paste job.

Every time it gets posted, it is done by a completely new user. and there seems to be no intention to become part of this forum community in anyway as the account seems to get thrown away instantly. If I recognised any of the names that joined the discussion, that would have been one thing, but all interactions seem to come from throwaway accounts. This is extra weird as we usually only see a handful of new names a month, if at all. Makes me think the accounts leaving replies were actually just part of the scheme.

I still humoured it and kept it around, *because* we have always had a lax content policy, and I was hoping some familiar community names might step up in the threads.

You have deleted 14 Positive & 1 Negative Comments over the past Month alone!

I count about 8 unique positive comments in my RSS history, 1 on the fence (download size too big), and 2 (somewhat) negative from @Jin. These by @Jin also felt like the only comments that were actually replying to the thread, commenting on some things in the first post, whereas others (counted as positive) sometimes literally consisted of a single sentence:

Like it a lot! India loves Linux!

I am a little sad that @Jin’s comment is now purged. I agreed with a lot they had to say. But at least it is a consistent policy to remove entire threads.

I hope that clears up some of what I have been seeing :)

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As far as my opinion of the OS is concerned:

It is Debian at its core. Literally Debian 10 (Stable) 64 Bit. It is unlikely to run better than core Debian. It also seems to borrow (heavily?) from the work GNOME (which is crawling slow?) has done to make Linux easier to use. For instance: it seems to recommend GNOME Software as an application store.

Not only that, but “All Pre-installed Applications have been installed from Debian Official Repositories or from their Official Repositories or Websites” according to the website. If none of the applications have been repackaged, they will not run any smoother on this version of Debian than on any other version of Debian.

(Source: https://ilinuxos.com/technical-specifications.html)

If you are looking for a pre-configured all-inclusive Debian, maybe this is for you. Otherwise, I see no reason to get out of the comfortzone that several other distros are giving. Especially when you are more likely to find help with more wellknown dristos. I personally run on Pop_OS as my daily driver. Some others that @Jin mentioned: PureOS, Trisquel, Mint.

If you are looking for the design aspect in Linux, maybe something like elementary OS. They did build their complete own AppCenter. They continue to patch core applications with new fitting design. All their patches end up going under libre licences (note that iLinux patches are not libre), and they have great public conversation about upcoming design iterations.

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Thanks for reading 👋 Signed: one of your friendly neighbourhood moderators.

append delete #8. Robot Killer

iLinux OS has Debian 10 at it's core but it's interface isn't Gnome. Gnome is slower than a snail...

iLinux OS is fast even on Old Computers because it's interface is a mix of Mate, Tint and Openbox Elements.

It does not RECOMMEND Gnome Software as an Application Store. It EMBEDS Gnome Software Store, Snap Store, Steam Games Store, Simple Package Manager & Synaptic Package Manager. All in one place. In one window. Giving the User all choices available out of the box. https://ilinuxos.com/ilinux-software-store.html

Name one other Linux Distro that offers everything that iLinux OS offers out of the box! One.

https://ilinuxos.com/innovations.html

append delete #9. Robot Killer
append delete #10. Martijn

It does not RECOMMEND Gnome Software as an Application Store. It EMBEDS Gnome Software Store, Snap Store, Steam Games Store, Simple Package Manager & Synaptic Package Manager. All in one place. In one window. Giving the User all choices available out of the box.

Maybe I am mistaken here, but all iLinux seems to do is offer an interface with buttons that open the separate stores. If a distro ships GNOME Software (not Store, I find it confusing too, but their application is just called Software) pre-installed I assume that is a tool they recommend me to use to install things. I do not care if I can start it immediately or through some in-between picker. If they are not recommending it, why ship is as a default?

Also note that, as I quoted before, all these applications are installed from their official repos. And as far as I can see, the different software managers all only install from their own default package listings. So there is absolutely nothing there that is not also part of e.g. my pick Pop_OS.

I do not even know why iLinux ships so many different stores. And if they are targeting new users (because "iLinux is so Easy you won't even need a manual") I do not know how those users are supposed to even know what to Store to enter from the intermediate picker.

Compare that to Pop_OS: they ship a single application Pop_OS Shop. In here it lists all updates for packages, both DEB and Flatpak. It also shows me when there are OS updates, and even my nvidia drivers are fully managed in there. As a user I only ever need to go to the one place for all my updates and all my application searching.

Pop_OS enables part of this through running their own package repositories. Both for their driver stacks (which may include proprietary blobs) as well as a fully open one through Launchpad.

Just on that part, I personally prefer Pop_OS over iLinux. Not to mention that all this work they have done on the Pop_OS Shop is available on GitHub and can actually be used on any Debian based distro. I do not even know where I go if I want to audit the iLinux shipped store.

Like I said at the start, I may be mistaken here. If you can point me at the source code repository for the iLinux Store, I would love to take a look! ☺

May be a small thing, but picking your favourite distros is always going to depend on the small things. It is kind of like discussions about text editors. Using a GUI? Are you in your terminal? vim or emacs? People are going to have their own preferences.

append delete #11. Ben

@Martijn: Thanks for taking the time to explain so clearly and give an overview of what has been happening. I hadn't realised the post was popping up elsewhere too. No wonder it was removed as spam.

Tbh, I hadn't posted in order to contribute to the discussion (and now feel a little bad that I posted at all). I have no intention of trying this distro so can't really add much. I had seen the thread with Jin's reply disappear to be replaced with a new thread and thought that criticism was being buried by the original author. Context really helps!

append delete #12. Robot Killer

@Martijn

I do not even know why iLinux ships so many different stores.

More Stores, more Software Choices for the Users.

Compare that to Pop_OS: they ship a single application Pop_OS Shop. In here it lists all updates for packages, both DEB and Flatpak.

iLinux OS EMBEDS Gnome Software Store (DEB and Flatpak), Snap Store (Snaps), Steam Games Store, Simple Package Manager & Synaptic Package Manager out of the box. All in one place. How simpler can ti get?! And more than Pop_OS out of the box. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Pop_OS! I have nothing against any Linux Distro. Just comparing...

If you can point me at the source code repository for the iLinux Store, I would love to take a look!

https://ilinuxos.com/technical-specifications.html

All iLinux OS Built-In Applications like Disk Usage, Easy Access, iLinux Backup, iLinux Software Store, Password Generator, Sound Recorder etc, are Scriptable and are located in /File System/iLinux/scripts/ for Security Auditing.

append delete #13. Robot Killer
append delete #14. Kathy

@Martijn

the way the post was formatted would have gotten it insta-deleted from several forums I have moderated for. It is filled with links and it reads a little like a sales pitch rather than a user’s opinion.

I don't get it... All those forum admins/moderators seem to be living in another parallel universe... We are in the age of internet and interconnectivity. It is natural for links to be included as references in a post/opinion. We are using the internet, we write in internet but you don't want us to use links? What kind of paranoia is this? And who are these "moderators" who will decide how we shall express our point of view? Last I checked we live in a democracy not a dictatorship...

append delete #15. Josh

I agree with Kathy. What is all that moderator bullshit about flagging as Spam a post with links?

append delete #16. Josh

The title of this thread is obviously provocative. The moderator that included the word "Spammers" in the title is a provocateur. They couldn't get into the discussion with arguments and they started slandering.

append delete #17. Kroc

It's spam, and it's never been anything else. Link-dumping an ad isn't good discussion matter, not relevant to Camen Design. Take the spam and the persecution complex elsewhere. The original version of the forum stated "there is only one rule: don't be an ass. Rule 2 is Kroc makes up the rules", I may have to go back to including that.
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This is a private forum, there is no free-speech here (as with _any_ private platform). If I don't like it, it goes. If you don't like that, go away.

@Robot Killer, you are a spammer and you are not fooling *anybody* here, except yourself. The more uppity you get, the lamer you look. Go post to other forums, or make your own -- I know a neat piece of open-source free forum software you can use

append delete #18. Martijn

More Stores, more Software Choices for the Users.

Oh, for sure. I am just saying that I prefer the Linux mantra of doing one thing and doing it well. So for me, there only being 1 store that does all the things I have needed to do for the last couple months, is a big win. And a lot less cognitive overload to me as a user when I do not need to make choices without context. As one such example: when do I want a Snap instead of a Flatpak? I have now been daily-driving Linux for a while, as a full time developer, and I have yet to figure that question out.

iLinux OS EMBEDS [...]

I still do not know what you mean by "embeds". This has now come up both as being different to shipping and to recommending, two wholly different terms. I am not familiar with embedding having any special meaning in Linux parlance either, but I might very well be missing something.

I doubt you are saying all those stores are part of the same binary. (I don't even think they are all written in the same programming language?) Do you mean the iLinux store links (as in C-linking, not web-linking) these binaries?

All iLinux OS Built-In Applications like [...] are Scriptable and are located in /File System/iLinux/scripts/ for Security Auditing.

That is not a source code repository though. I feel very little for downloading a multi-gig Linux image to try and extract one single folder to have a look at what makes it tick. That loops back to what @Jin wrote in the removed thread, I guess, where they lost all interest in iLinux when it wasn't open enough for their taste.

But like I said before, to each their own!

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To discuss a little more about moderating on the web, which I honestly find a lot more interesting than new linux distros:

We are in the age of internet and interconnectivity. It is natural for links to be included as references in a post/opinion. We are using the internet, we write in internet but you don't want us to use links? What kind of paranoia is this? And who are these "moderators" who will decide how we shall express our point of view?

Link have, throughout all times, been very important for discoverability. And then when Google started ranking pages based on connections to other pages this got boosted even more. To this date people are constantly attacking blocks with linkbacks and trackbacks just to get links in, when WordPress vulnerabilities come out people try to add links to their own sites to site layouts without being noticed, etc. On the non nefarious end of things, companies will pay good money to be featured on websites if they believe that will result in positive link juice.

Because links have such a value, there are lots of reasons for people to sling links around to places they want to boost. And stopping people from doing that is as old as the age of the internet.

As far back as 15 years ago, I remember phpBB and Invision forums where a user was not allowed to post any links for the first X number of posts they made. X being configurable by the forum admin. Specifically to make sure someone had become part of the community before being able to post links.

Much of this holds true to today. I know of Discord servers where linking is frowned upon, or only allowed in specific channels. Reddit has (used to have?) a rule about posting links to yourself: it is not allowed. Same on old link sites like Hacker News. Lots of Twitch communities ban the posting of links in chat, leading people to first request the _privilege_ of posting a link at all or risk being auto banned.

Even big tech community sites, like StackOverflow, will block or limit the amount of links you are allowed to post until you reach certain levels of karma. Reminding me a lot of the old post limitations from 15 years ago.

I am a big classic web fan, I have dabbled a lot in semantic web technologies, and linking to things is the life blood of all these things. But I do not see any reason why people should not carefully curate links, and that includes people who run discussion sites curating who get to place links and where they link to.

The moderator that included the word "Spammers" in the title is a provocateur.

There is no such moderator here who did that. But I guess interacting with the forum and the community (both here and on Discord) to get to know the names of people is not the number one priority for people in this thread 😉

#19. Jin

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append delete #20. Jin

all interactions seem to come from throwaway accounts

Mine is not that kind of accounts. I am here to participate into translations and theming of NNF, as I told Kroc on Discord.

Name one other Linux Distro that offers everything that iLinux OS offers out of the box! One.

Just take any up-to-date Debian derivative and you have pretty much the same things. Let's say iLinuxOS developped some good piece of software that improves end-user experience : be it a free license, this software would also be available on any other Debian derivative.
Cooperation is the default Unix-like community narrative launched by the 80's hackers' communities. Nowadays we can observe coopetition being promoted instead as a new "way to be". With its promotion of proprietary-spying software like steam and its weird licensing policy, iLinuxOS is a good representative of this capitalist way of thinking.
I don't like it and prefer real cooperation communities that empower users instead of maintaining them under control of big corporations software.

" More Stores, more Software Choices for the Users."

And more creepy disguised spying apps. That's why I stick to my distro's repos when possible instead of using snap or flatpack. Freedom of choice is a good thing though, and being able to install proprietary software can be useful for beginners or some professionals.
For that reason, and for the apparent hard work that was put in the design of the distro, it is worth greeting the author. For his aggressive amateur advertising campaign, I just tend to express the following :

Man, you're talking about ease of use to a community of power-users and developers. By posting here you were just mistaken about your marketing target. I have nothing against people that want to make money with free software, I just prefer they don't bother me an pollute my RSS feeds. If I want a distro that suits me perfectly I just build it from a netinstall, and if I look for an eye-candy desktop I go on distrowatch or read some blog posts, so please don't annoy me with your eye-candy product.
As say the rules of this forum, don't be an ass, recognize you're not in the right place for advertising and review your marketing plan. I would enjoy giving you detailed insights about how you could make money while respecting free-software spirit. I would also enjoy you don't insult people trying to spend some good time as they want in their corner of the web.
Notice that last thing is very bad for marketing, which in itself is by default not welcome for a vast majority of Gnu/Linux users.

append delete #21. Robot Killer

@Kroc

It's spam, and it's never been anything else. Link-dumping an ad isn't good discussion matter, not relevant to Camen Design.

Kroc you are provocateur and I agree with Kathy: I don't get it... All those forum admins/moderators seem to be living in another parallel universe... We are in the age of internet and inerconnectivity. It is natural for links to be included as references in a post/opinion. We are using the internet, we write in internet but you don't want us to use links? What kind of paranoia is this? And who are these "moderators" who will decide how we shall express our point of view? Last I checked we live in a democracy not a dictatorship...

Tell me Krocy, how are the threads bellow relative to Camen Design and why they are more relative than iLinux?!

Can you help me find The Cure for Insomnia?
http://forum.camendesign.com/can_you_help_me_find_the_cure_for_insomnia_

Tall stalkers that follow you around the city in 2010
http://forum.camendesign.com/tall-stalkers-that-follow-you-around-the-city-in-2010

The original version of the forum stated "there is only one rule: don't be an ass. Rule 2 is Kroc makes up the rules"

This is a private forum, there is no free-speech here (as with _any_ private platform). If I don't like it, it goes. If you don't like that, go away. You are a spammer and you are not fooling *anybody* here, except yourself. The more uppity you get, the lamer you look.

For a Jehova's Witness you have very little tolerance to other people's opinions...

Is that the love of your God YHWH?!

You are the SPAMMER Kroc.

You claim that is this is a Private Forum, yet it's free for anyone to write. You are such a hypocrite. The more uppity you get, the lamer you look, so I suggest you stop right now and apologize before YHWH gets very ungry at you...

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@Martijn

Oh, for sure. I am just saying that I prefer the Linux mantra of doing one thing and doing it well. So for me, there only being 1 store that does all the things I have needed to do for the last couple months, is a big win. And a lot less cognitive overload to me as a user when I do not need to make choices without context. As one such example: when do I want a Snap instead of a Flatpak? I have now been daily-driving Linux for a while, as a full time developer, and I have yet to figure that question out.

More choices. There may be an App in Snap that is not available in Flatpak and vice-versa.

Do you mean the iLinux store links (as in C-linking, not web-linking) these binaries?

I am not the Developer of iLinux but it seems that it just opens the Stores Apps. It's quite convenient to have them all in one window.

That is not a source code repository though. I feel very little for downloading a multi-gig Linux image to try and extract one single folder to have a look at what makes it tick.

Only the Developer of iLinux can answer that.

I am a big classic web fan, I have dabbled a lot in semantic web technologies, and linking to things is the life blood of all these things. But I do not see any reason why people should not carefully curate links, and that includes people who run discussion sites curating who get to place links and where they link to.

Reason: Freedom of speech.

There is no such moderator here who did that.

Yeah! Right! ONLY A MODERATOR WOULD DO THAT. PERIOD. You are a Moderator here and you know very well what I am talking about. Your tactics are so lame. You are not fooling *anybody* here, except yourself.

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@Jin

I am not the Developer of iLinux. Talk to the Developer.

append delete #22. Kroc

This thread is still here, you don't need to start new ones just to point to this one; that just spams people's RSS readers. Also, I can't vouchsafe every link posted, so please don't make replies with only a URL in them; use the append feature (the pencil icon in the top-right of your posts)

append delete #23. Jin

" For a Jehova's Witness you have very little tolerance to other people's opinions..."

You have no tolerance for people on this forum. I don't want to see your your ads anymore. This is Kroc's forum and I fully agree with his moderation policy, you can't pretend there should be free speech here. I you wan't a free speech forum, just install your own instance of the app. Please leave and stop annoying people here. I will stop answering to you now.

@Kroc : I don't see any way to have that person respect your forum policy. Answering him just makes his links more viewable. I don't care about my replies here being deleted.

append delete #24. Robot Killer

@Kroc

You are Spamming people's RSS Feeds by approving this provocateur title for this thread.

@Jin

you can't pretend there should be free speech here

You have no tolerance for people on this forum.

#25. Kathy

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