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The new Apple announcements

append delete Kroc

So what does everybody think of the new Apple announcements?

* iLife ’11

* OS X.7 Lion / Mission Control / App Store *gah!*

* New MacBook Air

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append delete #1. JJ

Well, being that I have no idea what iLife is, I wiki'd it.

I see it's a suite of applications comprised of some pieces software I know about and some that I've never heard of. "iWeb" caught my eye. Unfortunately, I clicked it and I almost puked.…

"iWeb is a WYSIWIG website creation tool..."

"iWeb allows users to create and design websites and blogs without coding"

"...Some limitations include:

- Separate CSS files are created for each page, rather than a single stylesheet for the entire site.

- There is no option to directly edit the HTML code of templates."

append delete #2. JJ

Double post.

I thought we were past the FrontPage and DreamWeaver days several years ago. I'll admit to using FrontPage 8+ years ago when I was new to web development. I even had a job as the webmaster of my university's website that *required* me to use dreamweaver to update the site. (There were no includes, if you ever changed the side-menu, it would literally go through hundreds of files and automatically update the menu's markup in each file. I shit you not.)

I thought everyone would be past this stuff by now. I guess I was wrong.

append delete #3. Kroc

We shouldn’t be too proud to get off of our high horse; the web was originally designed to be written using WYSIWYG tools--the first web browser was also a WYSIWYG editor!

Anyway, iLife’11 is a consumer tool, not meant primarily for geeks.

The addition of an app store on OS X is quite worrying. App Store policies on a desktop operating system! Ho crap, that’s nasty.

append delete #4. JJ

Yeah, I know. But I would honestly prefer people use something like WordPress if they want convenience, that's what its for, and although it's not the cleanest or most semantic way of making a website, its definitely better than a WYSIWYG editor. It's probably a lot more painless to make a website with a CMS than it is a WYSIWYG editor for most people.

(I can't believe I'm actually praising WordPress.) :)

append delete #5. SpeedoJoe

There really isn't anything wrong with the concept of WYSIWYG.

Regarding the event, I'm watching the video now. I'll probably only be interested in OS X, even though I don't use it at home (have had to for work in the past).

append delete #6. JJ

You're right. WYSIWYG works great for photoshop for example. There's definitely nothing wrong with the concept itself, but when it is applied to certain things it just doesn't work.

There is definitely a lot wrong with it when applied to the web. I blame the makers WYSIWYG software. How many people who don't know html or css are actually going to come out from using a wysiwyg editor with a design/website they like? Most people would probably be happier using a CMS if they want a weblog, and they would get to pick from any number of design templates out there.

append delete #7. Martijn

I agree with Kroc on the App Store. I hope developers will simply not use it at all and let it slowly die. We’re talking about computers here, I’d like to have access to the files stored on it, thank you.

Otherwise, not much I’m interested in. The new Air still has worse specs than my couple of years old MacBook and I never upgraded to Snow Leopard and don’t think I will cough up the money to upgrade to Lion either.

I did get a little annoyed by Apple Sweden now. They already have this new generation MacBook Air on sale but you still can’t put in an order for an iPad.

append delete #8. Richard

Well, the idea of an app store isn't really all that bad, look at linux distributions like Ubuntu: they've got an application "market" thing integrated. Okay, just ignore the fact that you can't *buy* anything.

The awful thing (like always) is that you're not the one controlling which applications you *can* install anymore. Steve Jobs gets to dictate which applications are allowed in the store and which not. There's been a lot of controversy about the app store in iOS, and I can guarantee this'll be the case for the OSX-store.

Sidenote: I'm not too keen on Apple, but as with all things: you have to be objective.

PS: I'm dutch, so I apologize if there's anything wrong with my English. :)

append delete #9. Martijn

Richard, I’m not accustumed to any Ubuntu builds. But do they need your application to make it through an acceptance check first as well?

That’s one of the things hindering many apps from going big on any iDevice at the moment. Apple simply doesn’t allow a lot of things (like anything making use of torrent technology).

append delete #10. Richard

Well, all applications available via apt-get, synaptic and the client interface in ubuntu are maintained by Canonical, the company behind Ubuntu.

Besides that, it's terribly simple to install applications via RPM's (like Apple's DMG's) or just to build them.

Furthermore, there's no constraint or anything on applications that you can install with the application manager. If you like a certain application, just contact Canonical, and they'll see to it that it becomes compatible (sometimes there are small incompatibilies with other distributions) and that you can easily install it.

It's gorgeous when implemented correctly, and personally, I doubt that Apple will succeed. Unfortunately...


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